It may sound strange to say that I loved this podcast but I did. As a mom of 3 with 2 living daughters and having been a nurse for over 30 years I found this to be a long overdue conversation. I really appreciate the rawness and vulnerability and honesty. While Sam and Kate talk about the loneliness and isolation, they also acknowledge the need for connection and inclusion. What is the right thing to say or do to help someone you love or perhaps barely know who may be experiencing this same trauma? There is no one size fits all answer and that is one of the problems. Thanks also for the other shattering stories of loss and survival by the other people featured. This podcast will day with me for a long while. Thank you.